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Smoka90

I saw this on RT News the other day, it sums it up so much!

"America decides...

Which one is worse?"

Hehe, made me laugh.

To be honest... you know, freedom of speech, I do support Trump. I think it's sad that I should be sort of 'ashamed' to say that...I don't agree with him on everything (abortions, especially drug policy). I hope no-one disowns me because of that. But don't forget, democracy is about acceptance of other's views. I accept the right of clinton supporters to have their view as well.

But what I will agree on, is the debates have been so, so...personal. Both parties are guilty there. It is such a shame. But the line from Trump "...because you'd be in jail." Boom!

In any case, whoever wins will have low approval ratings from the start. Turbulent times indeed...

I accept that some Trump supporters can be so aggressive - I don't like that. But Clinton supporters (anti trump movement etc.) can be equally as bad.

Oh, and, haha, on a lighter note, I still can't stop giggling on the Trump headlines (trump here basically means fart). Best one was "Obama: Don't blame me for Trump". Oh my god, haha, never gets old!

 

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Conceited

During the obomba inauguration the US media and politicians were saying shillary was going to be the next president. Well she's made it through the candidate vote for the party, so it looking like she has the chance of of running the US. Someone who has, been involved in numerous scandals like Bengasi, the email scandal. The Clinton foundation is corrupt, and she could be president of one of the players in the global events. It would be laughable if she does make it in. 

Trump was never mentioned untill the candidate for tthe republicans appeared. He has got where he is by wheeling and dealing. Probably screwed a few people over, you don't get to be that rich by playing by the rules to have as much assets as he does. Think he has a load of casinos  But he isn't part of the establishment, so we're told, like the wicked witch. That's why most people who have the power in us politics hate him , because he has no ties to anything political. That could be bad. But I think its better to have someone who has know long tearm connections to people like the clintons and bushes. 

 Its good comedy for people not able to vote if you're not a us citizen.  Though if clinton wins I think it will be bad for US relations with other countrys, which normally isn't good for other allied nations.

Will be glad when it's all over. Fells like its been dragging for the last year and half .       

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Jellopanda

I won't say too much about this as there are probably several americans on this forum with strong opinions on the matter and this affects you more than anyone else, but i suppose you also know that who becomes president in the USA affects the entire world.

Thought i would just say how it looks from here. Norway that is. Too us the most common reaction when bringing up that whole spectacle over there is that people shake their heads and then just laugh. And then make some kinda of statement along the lines of: It's completely insane what's happening over there.

Off course to norwegians american politics always seem a little crazy as everyone of the eight major parties (we have quite a different political system here), even the one furthest to the right politically, are still to the left of both the republicans and the democrats, but with this particular election most are wondering have they gone completely off the rails?

Hope i haven't offended any americans, but many of the powerful nations often don't care much about what norway thinks anyway, though i did notice norway being brought up many times during this election as an example when one policy or another of ours seemed to work particularly well. Most often by Bernie Sanders, who may actually be one of few american politicians that's to the left of our most right-wing party.

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2earls

@Smoka90 that surprised me. I guess I see Trump as misogynistic and I see you as a champion for respect of the fairer sex. But I would never think badly of you over political differences.

I can't think of anything more obnoxious than people who are compelled to force their views and beliefs on others; be it politics, religion or something else.

I may have to move to England if this election goes awry and then we can really have a lively political debate.

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DippityDoo
5 hours ago, 2earls said:

I may have to move to England if this election goes awry and then we can really have a lively political debate.

Was discussing the handsome new Canadian Prime Minister with a new DBG member from Canada.  I asked him, depending on the American election results, if a few million clinically-depressed Americans could crash on his couch for, oh I don't know, four or eight years.

Never heard back.  Weird, eh?  :D

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Heavenlee

Omg I have a super crush on Justin Trudeau god he's the coolest prime minister in the world! @DippityDoo I'm with you lady! Was even thinking about Mexico but my ex said there's too much gangs and I could be kidnapped is that true? I haven't been down there for awhile but I thought there were still good places for Americans??? And @aintnouse I couldn't agree more why waste my breath on him!

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DippityDoo
5 minutes ago, Heavenlee said:

Omg I have a super crush on Justin Trudeau god he's the coolest prime minister in the world! @DippityDoo I'm with you lady! Was even thinking about Mexico but my ex said there's too much gangs and I could be kidnapped is that true? I haven't been down there for awhile but I thought there were still good places for Americans???

Based on what I've read and documentaries I've seen from a wide variety of sources, Mexico has several states which fully qualify as failed states.  The term failed state indicates catastrophe by every measure, where the cartels literally own state and federal police, the judges, the courts, the lawyers, the shop owners.  There is no justice; the people are powerless and defenseless against both the cartels and law enforcement.  Journalists who dare to report on cartel activities are executed as a warning to all.  The murder of journalists to maintain political power is the most grotesque violation of our sacred right to free speech.

Shockingly enough, one of the most deadly, lawless countries on earth has only one...one!...gun store.  It's run by the government and citizens must follow a stringent list of forms and qualifications to be allowed to purchase a weapon.  Even odder, personal gun ownership is guaranteed by the Mexican constitution, yet that same government makes legally purchasing a gun as difficult as humanly possible.

Mexico City is a bustling metropolis and thus offers some physical protection due to the sheer mass of people, but the wealthy are still at risk of kidnapping in broad daylight.  Rural areas are the most dangerous.  The quieter the area, the more you should assume your every move is being watched.

Cruise ships are still stopping at Mexico's coastal tourist ports with no trouble reported thus far.  There was a cartel attack at a resort in Acapulco two years ago, but none reported since then.

Why American factories are moving to Mexico is beyond my comprehension.  The corruption and bribery costs are astronomical, so I don't see how they're saving money by making Oreos in Mexico instead of America.

If Trump were to build a wall that happened to trap me on the Mexican side, I'd scratch and claw my way over that f*cking wall back to the American side so fast it'd qualify as an Olympic event.

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aintnouse

@DippityDoo Those failed states are called "Narco States"  and are controlled by various cartels feuding for $$ in the international market.  The vast majority of guns used in Mexico to perpetrate their wars and violence are from the good ole US of A.   Can anyone say gun control?   

It appears with all the current document dumps that both candidates are equally despicable.  I find it disgusting that people seek public office for their own enrichment.  I was under the impression that public office was supposed to benefit the collective and not make a handful of people very wealthy.  I realize this is not a new phenomenon and I am naive but I think its disgusting that people can claim to champion the poor while collecting millions from the very people that make us poor.   Big Money, Big Pharma, Big Chemical, Big Military, Big everything is dividing this country and distracting us from the real issues at hand.  There is no one person (especially from our current choices) that can right this wayward aircraft carrier we call a country. 

Dammit...its another beautiful day and I should refrain from talking politics!!! Have a good weekend all...November is around the corner and its almost over!!!

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Heavenlee

@DippityDooand @aintnouseThank you so much for the info I used to be married to this first husband of mine and his dad was a 3 star retired general (when he retired) and he had a place in Peuerto Penasco called Rocky point. This was many years ago but it was really nice back then abunch of old american airmen and other military community felt americanized there. But he says s lot has changed now adays! Now hes telling me go to costa rica! Yeh right and support an abusive drunk who got me hooked well turned me onto heroin something id never do to my worst enemy! but a good thing came out of it was my son so i am grateful for that! Thanks for your help! I thought he was bs'ing me just to move where he is but ill never go down that road again!

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ElectroNymph
On 28/10/2016 at 5:21 AM, 2earls said:

@Smoka90 that surprised me. I guess I see Trump as misogynistic and I see you as a champion for respect of the fairer sex. But I would never think badly of you over political differences.

I can't think of anything more obnoxious than people who are compelled to force their views and beliefs on others; be it politics, religion or something else.

I may have to move to England if this election goes awry and then we can really have a lively political debate.

England isn't bad if you have a useful trade, and cash saved up, but for the poor, it ain't much fun.

I have been living on £204 a month, it's supposed to be £317 (which is stll bad) but they are taking two lots of money off me. 

The sooner I can get a job the better. ?

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Heavenlee

@ConceitedI bet is is great comedy if you are not a US citizen and watching from afar. Over here it has caused so much dissension that so many of my friends have unfriended me. I never have seen our country divided so deeply.  I guess it's my fault I wrote on my FB page for Trump supporters to fuck off and unfriend me. But @Smoka90 has a point, that entire system is built on a democracy......but he is such a narcissistic, racist, misogynistic, egomaniacal horrible man to me. It's sad when you see women at Trump rallies wearing TShirts that he can grab their pussys! I'm wondering  if it was the same for our members across the pond if it was like that for with Brexit? I noticed British pound dropped. Was it as ugly over there as it is here? Where people beat up people of color at Trump rallies? I am all about peoples right to vote, so I did change my FB page, but I feel the seconding coming of a Hitleresque state it Trump is elected. Was it as scary over there as it is over here?  Thanks in advance!

@ElectroNymph I feel for you lady, it is the same way over here. I don't know how the government thinks people can live on so little. Is is still called on the dole over there?  When my first husband went to prison I was stuck with a baby and received public assistance and food stamps but still had to steal to Get my methadone everyday. I went to a private clinic (because state run won't dose you enough to stay clean and stabilized) and was charged $14.00 to get doesed everyday so I sold all my food stamps to pay for my methadone so I had to steal our food everyday. It is really sad that we both come from the top wealthiest countries and do not receive enough to live on. It felt like a third world country. I was homeless and it took months to get on public housing, thank god I was stuck in the middle of Phoenix in the desert and some Mexican lady took us in until I got back on my feet again. She was a total stranger and took care of me and my son. And Trump wants to build a fence to keep the Mexicans out, shame on him!

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ElectroNymph
2 hours ago, Heavenlee said:

@ConceitedI bet is is great comedy if you are not a US citizen and watching from afar. Over here it has caused so much dissension that so many of my friends have unfriended me. I never have seen our country divided so deeply.  I guess it's my fault I wrote on my FB page for Trump supporters to fuck off and unfriend me. But @Smoka90 has a point, that entire system is built on a democracy......but he is such a narcissistic, racist, misogynistic, egomaniacal horrible man to me. It's sad when you see women at Trump rallies wearing TShirts that he can grab their pussys! I'm wondering  if it was the same for our members across the pond if it was like that for with Brexit? I noticed British pound dropped. Was it as ugly over there as it is here? Where people beat up people of color at Trump rallies? I am all about peoples right to vote, so I did change my FB page, but I feel the seconding coming of a Hitleresque state it Trump is elected. Was it as scary over there as it is over here?  Thanks in advance!

@ElectroNymph I feel for you lady, it is the same way over here. I don't know how the government thinks people can live on so little. Is is still called on the dole over there?  When my first husband went to prison I was stuck with a baby and received public assistance and food stamps but still had to steal to Get my methadone everyday. I went to a private clinic (because state run won't dose you enough to stay clean and stabilized) and was charged $14.00 to get doesed everyday so I sold all my food stamps to pay for my methadone so I had to steal our food everyday. It is really sad that we both come from the top wealthiest countries and do not receive enough to live on. It felt like a third world country. I was homeless and it took months to get on public housing, thank god I was stuck in the middle of Phoenix in the desert and some Mexican lady took us in until I got back on my feet again. She was a total stranger and took care of me and my son. And Trump wants to build a fence to keep the Mexicans out, shame on him!

Yes, I agree. A whole country of people shouldn't be put in the same bracket. That lady sounds very kind though.

I used to steal to get money for blues (valium) but the people getting me the vals used to rip me off too!

The poor need to be looked after properly, I just can't see it ever happening. It's so hard to get out of it too, they say that they want to get people out of poverty, but make it almost impossible to do so.

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Heavenlee

@ElectroNymph i agree with you!! I dont understand over here how poor people can vote Republican where its sey up to make the rich, richer! Ignorance and uneducated voters, so sad to see for me a person with african american or mexican heritage voting for trump! Anyways i saw this on twitter this morning! Anyone vare for some Trump cupcakes?

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ElectroNymph
4 minutes ago, Heavenlee said:

@ElectroNymph i agree with you!! I dont understand over here how poor people can vote Republican where its sey up to make the rich, richer! Ignorance and uneducated voters, so sad to see for me a person with african american or mexican heritage voting for trump! Anyways i saw this on twitter this morning! Anyone vare for some Trump cupcakes?

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Ha-ha... Yum. It's missing a big fat hand molesting them though. ;)

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