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Putting it all together - HGH + IGF-1 + Slin – 
A basic guide. 

There are volumes of information and studies available about using HGH, IGF-1, and Insulin , but for the most part coming up with a good cycle including all of these is a tedious process and requires more reading than most people wish to do or have the time to do. The following is meant to a quick and simple reference to what a cycle including all three might look like and a brief description of the action of each component. This is in no wise intended to be a comprehensive guide nor is it presented as the ONLY way to run a cycle such as this. This is merely as an example of one method that will definitely yield results.

THE CYCLE

Weeks 1- (20-30) – HGH – On 5/ off 2
Weeks 1-5, 11-15, (21-25)
• 2 – 2.5 IU’s - first thing in the morning on workout days – early afternoon on non-workout days
Weeks 6-10, 16-20, (26-30)
• 2 – 2.5 IU’s first thing in the morning
• 2 – 2.5 IU’s post workout with your insulin (or alternatively before workout if desired)
All HGH injected subQ into a**omen, obliques, fronts of the thighs, upper triceps

Weeks 1-5, 11-15, (21-25) – Long R3 IGF-1 – Every day
60mcg’s intramuscular
• post work out on workout days 
• first thing in the morning on non workout days

Weeks 6-10, 16-20, (26-30) – Humalog – Workout days only
• 8IU’s immediately post workout, intramuscular

IMPORTANT / CRITICAL - Post Insulin Nutrition
Immediately after Humalog injection – do the following
• Injection + 5 minutes – drink shake with 10g glutamine / 10g creatine / 55g dextrose (7 grams per IU of Insulin)
• Injection + 15 minutes – drink shake with 80g of whey isolate protein in water
• Injection + 60 – 75 minutes – eat a protein / carb meal with 40-50g of protein, 40-50g of carbs, NO FATS (you may wish to add another whey isolate protein drink with this meal)
Avoid fats for 2-3 hours for Humalog IM, 3-4 hours for Humalog subQ, 4-5 hours for Humulin-R.
keep some glucose tablets or other simple carbs on hand (Orange Juice, Full sugar Coke, etc.) for the active window of your insulin. Hypo symptoms can and will hit hard and fast and you will have little time to react. This is the main danger of insulin use. Be ready.

OPTIONAL Addition to above cycle

Weeks 1- (20-30) T3 - Every Day
• 12.5 mcgs - 25 mcgs taken each day

[alternative method if additional fat loss is necessary - Only use if sufficient AAS cycle is present to protect and support lean tissue]
Weeks 1-5, 11-15, (21-25) T3 Every Day
For each of the 5 week runs of T3:
Days 1-3 25 mcgs
Days 4-6 50 mcgs
Days 7-9 75 mcgs
Days 10 - 20 100 mcgs
Days 21 - 24 75 mcgs
Days 25 - 27 50 mcgs
Days 28 - 30 25 mcgs
Days 31 - 35 12.5 mcgs

DESCRIPTION OF THE ELEMENTS OF THIS CYCLE

HGH
HGH should ideally be used for 20-30 week cycles (or longer). The dosage should be between 2-3IU per day if you are using GH primarily for fat loss, 4-5 IU’s a day for both fat loss and muscle growth, and approximately 1.0 – 2.0 IU’s a day for females. It is best to split your injections 1/2 first thing in the morning, 1/2 early afternoon if your dose is above 3.0 IU’s per day. Your pituitary will naturally produce about 6-9 pulses of GH per day. Each injection you take will create a negative feedback loop that will suppress these pulses for about 4 hours. By taking your injections first thing in the morning and early afternoon you will still allow your body to release its biggest pulse, which normally occurs shortly after going to sleep at night.

When starting out with your HGH cycle, for most people it is wise to begin you dose at 1.5 – 2.0IU per day for the first couple of weeks, and then begin increasing your dose by 0.5 unit every week or two until you reach your desired level. While it isn't an absolute neccessity to do this, if you are sensitive to the type of sides HGH present you will often times avoid these sides of joint pain/swelling, and bloating/water retention by slowly acclaimating to your ultimate 4-5 IU/day goal.

You should use an U100 insulin syringe for injecting HGH, and inject it subQ into your a**omen, obliques, top of thighs, triceps. Rotate injection sites. HGH can have a small localized fat loss benefit, so keep this in mind when choosing your injection sites.

IGF-1
When HGH makes it pass through the liver, a release of IGF-1 is a result. IGF-1 appears to be the key player in muscle growth. It stimulates both the differentiation and proliferation of myoblasts. It also stimulates amino acid uptake and protein synthesis in muscle and other tissues. While HGH will cause an increase in your IGF-1 level over the course of a few months, HGH has a cumulative effect, so the addition of IGF-1 will greatly speed up the time to results.

There are two types of IGF-1 that will typically be used by bodybuilders. One is bio-identical huIGF-1, a 70 amino acid string. The other is Long R3 IGF-1, which is an 83 amino acid analog of human IGF-I comprising the complete human IGF-I sequence with the substitution of an Arg for the Glu at position 3 (hence R3), and a 13 amino acid extension peptide at the N-terminus (hence the long). This 13 amino acid "side chain" helps prevent the IGF-1 from being so easily bound, and thus increases its active window exponentially. Which of these you use depends on your goal.

HuIGF-1 is very short lived in the body (half life of probably around 10 minutes). This type of IGF-1 is very useful if you are seeking local site growth. Since it is so short lived, little of the IGF-1 makes it to other tissues and IGF-1 receptors in the body. The way to inject this is immediately post work out into the muscle that you wish to have local site growth. Use a U100 insulin syringe, and inject 60-80mcg’s bilaterally into the desired muscle immediately post workout. For this type of IGF-1, I would use it workout days only or if desired you could inject on non-workout days first thing in the morning into a muscle group worked the previous day.

For Long R3 IGF-1, it isn’t as critical that you inject into a local site as long R3 has a active window of many hours, and is designed specifically to resist being bound by IGF binding proteins. 

Since it is common to reconstitute this type of IGF-1 with Benzyl Alcohol, Acetic Acid, or Hydrochloric Acid, I would still recommend that you inject intra-muscular. While for some purposes of nerve regrowth, etc. subQ is a somewhat superior injection method, it can and probably will leave a nice red irritated spot if you inject subQ, and it is not superior for muscle growth purposes anyway. 

I still inject into a muscle just worked to take advantage of increased IGF-1 receptors present as a result of tearing down muscles with workout, but because of the long activity window of this type of IGF-1 any muscle will work well and give you good results,. I would suggest that you inject between 40-80mcg’s per day everyday immediately post workout on workout days, and first thing in the morning on non-workout days.

Use a U-100 insulin syringe with 1/2" needle to inject IGF-1 intramuscular (bilaterally for HuIGF-1, bilaterally optional for Long R3)

Insulin
Working out causes us to end up in a catabolic state. It is important to back in a positive nitrogen balance as soon as possible. When not using insulin, we drink some dextrose with our protein to cause an insulin spike immediately post workout to help shuttle the protein and sugars to the muscles. 

Insulin is very good at shuttling nutrients to the muscles, and works in a very complimentary manner with GH in the types of things that they shuttle. Also, HGH can cause an amount of insulin resistance, so adding some insulin to your cycle will go a long ways toward reducing the elevated blood glucose levels caused by HGH's interfering with the liver's ability to uptake glucose, and thus help offset any potential resistance that might occur during your HGH cycle. Also by taking our HGH with or near the time of our insulin injection (immediately post workout) we are ensuring a great influx of growth factors. HGH + Slin passed through the liver = BIG secretion of growth factors. These growth factors will equate to muscle growth, rapid healing, etc.

For the purposes that we are using insulin, a dosage of 4-10IU’s is adequate and should be used immediately post workout. I personally prefer using Humalog intramuscular as it will cause a rapid spike and clear out of your system quickly. You can use it sub-q or use Humulin-R instead, but each of these will result in a longer active window, thus a longer time to avoid eating any fats and watching your carb intake. Any fats or over abundance of carbs will end up being stored as fat during insulin's active window. The approximate windows are:
Humalog - IM - 2-3 hours
Sub-q - 3-4 hours
Humulin -R - IM - 3-4 hours
Sub-q 4-5 hours

Use a U-100 insulin syringe with 1/2" needle to inject IM immediately post workout. Alternatively, you can inject subQ if desired or if you wish a longer active window for some reason. Begin with a dose of 2IU's or so, and increase the dose each workout day until you reach your 8IU's.

If for some reason you wish to avoid insulin, I would still suggest that immediately post workout you spike you own endogenous insulin by drinking 80 grams of dextrose / 40 grams of whey isolate protein. While this certainly won't do the work of 8-10 IU's of Humalog, it will most certainly assist getting your muscle back in a nitrogen positive environment in a short amount of time.


T3
HGH can have a slight inhibitory effect on your thyroid. For most people this is minimal and does not require any additional thyroid be taken, but if you wish to augment protein synthesis as well as give yourself a slight metabolic boost in thyroid without shutting down your own production, you can add 12.5mcg of T3 daily to your HGH, IGF-1, Insulin cycle. This will aid both in bulking and cutting. 

If you add T3 to your cycle, you should also consider taking some thyroid support supplements such as t-100x, bladderwrack, coleus forskolin. You should check and make sure your intake of trace minerals (selenium, zinc, copper) is sufficient to aid in the conversion of T4 to T3. 

If you are going to take more than 12.5 mcg of T3, a wise method is to cycle the dose both up and down to avoid a rebound effect when going off the T3 portion of your cycle. The other consideration is that T3 is very indiscriminant in it stoking of the metabolic fire. It will happily burn both fat and lean tissue, so I would only recommend its use at much above 25mcgs per day (and definitely if used at 50mcgs or above at which point IGFBP's will rise significantly) if you are on a reasonably healthy anabolic cycle to protect your lean tissue. For strictly our use with an HGH cycle and use in assisting with protein sythesis, 12.5mcg will be sufficient and will not be problematic. 

Also another consideration if cycling in higher doses, cycle your T3 in conjunction with your LR3 IGF-1 use. The thought behind this is that LR3 binds poorly to IGFBP's, so you will be able to use an elevated dose of T3 (which will likely increase IGFBP's) and still keep elevated IGF-1 levels. I would suggest that use of T3 above 25mcg's or so would not be advisable for too many 5 weeks segments of your complete cycle. As one of the major "anabolic" benefits of HGH use is elevated IGF-1 levels, we don't want to create an environment of radically increased IGF binding proteins. Abuse of T3 will go a long way in creating that environment hostile to IGF-1.

Well, I think that about covers the peptide suite …all that is needed to complete this cycle is the addition of your prefered testosterone combo (cyp, e, prop, etc.) and you have a great combination for bulking or cutting.

Happy growing!

 

R

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You seem to have a lot of knowledge about this kind of thing. I have been planning to Buy some MK-677 which is normally used as a cheaper HGH Substitute. I read some things like it can only increase IGF-1 by up to normally like 100-150 Points in an increase of it. MK-677 technically it is a growth hormone secretagogue and I just thought it might be useful during PCT yet not necessary hence you probably never mentioned it in your PCT Thread.


  Due to MK-677 has been used in Human Trials for 2 Years Daily without any desensitization of the Receptors and the amount of IGF-1 actually increased after 1 Year including bone density. So that plus the fact that it is a way cheaper alternative to Exogenous HGH Injections which for Quality HGH Source for Daily use of it for the goal of bodybuilding and not for example Anti-Aging Management Treatment rich people Legally get Prescribed a very low Dose of like 1IU Daily of HGH but any amount of Long-Term use is extremely Expensive at least on my Restricted fixed Monthly Salary on Disability so I don't have much of a budget that I got to spare on for things other than Rent + Food. 


  Just thought I'd mention/ask about it in case you know anything about it and decide to make a thread... But nevermind if you use HGH as if you got the Money to afford that than I can't imagine anyone who uses HGH would use MK-677 except unlike for the fact unlike HGH Injections MK-677M does not increase Prolactin Levels or Cortisol Levels and I read it increases Nitrogen Retention I believe is how it is spelt.


  Someone said in a Post I was reading about HGH Vs. MK-677 besides HGH being able to reach way higher levels of IGF-1 but it has more of a body fat burning effect more quickly and the MK-677 helps with building muscle mass if used at the same dose each to produce the same IGF-1 levels that is due to the Nitrogen Retention which this same person said Chinese Pharma Grade HGH 4IU for 3 Days straight increased his IGF-1 Levels the exact same amount of increase he got from using MK-677 for like only less than 25% of the monthly HGH Costs. 

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trinity

Hammerblow what are are your thoughts on HGH use and reduced insulin sensitivity?

Not particularly a fan of insulin but use it alongside HGH at 2iu for the very reason above. Actrapid.

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Like you mate I’m not the biggest fan of slin, I’d mainly used it as a bulking tool in the past in the hard gainer phase and it worked wonders getting me to that next level. 

 

With regards to sensitivity it’s a paradoxical loop imo.  Growth can stimulate slin secretion so there’s arguments on both sides.

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9 hours ago, porkandbeansboy said:

You seem to have a lot of knowledge about this kind of thing. I have been planning to Buy some MK-677 which is normally used as a cheaper HGH Substitute. I read some things like it can only increase IGF-1 by up to normally like 100-150 Points in an increase of it. MK-677 technically it is a growth hormone secretagogue and I just thought it might be useful during PCT yet not necessary hence you probably never mentioned it in your PCT Thread.


  Due to MK-677 has been used in Human Trials for 2 Years Daily without any desensitization of the Receptors and the amount of IGF-1 actually increased after 1 Year including bone density. So that plus the fact that it is a way cheaper alternative to Exogenous HGH Injections which for Quality HGH Source for Daily use of it for the goal of bodybuilding and not for example Anti-Aging Management Treatment rich people Legally get Prescribed a very low Dose of like 1IU Daily of HGH but any amount of Long-Term use is extremely Expensive at least on my Restricted fixed Monthly Salary on Disability so I don't have much of a budget that I got to spare on for things other than Rent + Food. 


  Just thought I'd mention/ask about it in case you know anything about it and decide to make a thread... But nevermind if you use HGH as if you got the Money to afford that than I can't imagine anyone who uses HGH would use MK-677 except unlike for the fact unlike HGH Injections MK-677M does not increase Prolactin Levels or Cortisol Levels and I read it increases Nitrogen Retention I believe is how it is spelt.


  Someone said in a Post I was reading about HGH Vs. MK-677 besides HGH being able to reach way higher levels of IGF-1 but it has more of a body fat burning effect more quickly and the MK-677 helps with building muscle mass if used at the same dose each to produce the same IGF-1 levels that is due to the Nitrogen Retention which this same person said Chinese Pharma Grade HGH 4IU for 3 Days straight increased his IGF-1 Levels the exact same amount of increase he got from using MK-677 for like only less than 25% of the monthly HGH Costs. 

I’m off to train this morning and I’ve got a few things to do but I’ll answer your question to the best of my abilities I’ve got a good amount of knowledge in this new wave or I’m sure @trinity could give you the breakdown. There’s no one on this forum with more knowledge than him...trust me.

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6 hours ago, Hammerblow said:

I’m off to train this morning and I’ve got a few things to do but I’ll answer your question to the best of my abilities I’ve got a good amount of knowledge in this new wave or I’m sure @trinity could give you the breakdown. There’s no one on this forum with more knowledge than him...trust me.

TBH MK-677 I have little knowledge about but it has spiked my interest again in the field of HGH and their fragments.

Again nothing will compare to genuine pharmacy HGH. Cost is now not as big a factor as it used to be 10yrs ago, not with minimal, anti aging purposes ;)

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I was going to put something together for MK-677 but tbh in my opinion and this is just my opinion stick with GH. LIke Trin said it’s not as expensive as it used to be especially if you know where to shop (not China for the most part) and if you are in this lifestyle you unfortunately can’t cut corners.

 

But saying that! The best results and the biggest gains I’ve ever achieved in my life have been through.....diet!! The best cycles I’ve ever ran have all been aas. You don’t need what I’ve mentioned above it’s an option based on how far you want to go. However you can look fucking incredible on a test only cycle with the right diet and training mentality trust me. If people would learn about stacking aas the right way, diet and training you necessarily wont need hg. Dorian was only on very low doses for most of his career. 

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Yes MK-677 is cheaper and I agree that seems to be only benefit of using it instead of HGH instead. The only reason I am planning to use it which would using it in low-doses for any possible Nootropic benefits which I don't expect much if any. I just suspect maybe a slight improvement in cognitive enhancement and or increase in appetite and better quality sleep I read people experiencing on this. 


  Thank you both for your replies and I wish I could Private Message with you both... I think I read a post where Vendors are allowed to PM and I don't know about somethings about this Website as it has been growing and things are changing a bit as it grows so I will just have to pay attention to posts like this as they come along. I will be following you from now on @Hammerblow


  If I was not poor as dirt... lol I would be Buying HGH over MK-677 in a heartbeat tbh but than again for my required needs of using it about specifically when it comes to bodybuilding. I exercise strictly to maintain good body health so a small increased speed in recovery between work out sessions is all the results I really expect from MK-677 since your body is only going to be capable of producing the your IGF-1 Levels etc. only high as your body will be able to produce a maximum increased amount of them. It makes it impossible to get it t up to being able to increase the levels of HGH and IGF-1 anywhere as close to the amount of levels as high as using HGH Injections can increase it by which can be a lot more than what MK-677 could ever have your body produce. 


  I am interested in it's possibility of giving Me some kind of beneficial results mainly through Bone Density and Strength as I am on a bunch of Drugs that specifically increase my risk of Osteopenia and Osteoporosis and exercising with heavy body weight exercises like specifically doing squats on the internet is the best exercise to do for bone strength/health from what I read on the internet. I wish I could PM with you @Hammerblow since it would be nice to know about a good regimen for maintaining and re-building bone strength health would be in your personal and humble opinion that is of course lol. 

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4 hours ago, porkandbeansboy said:

Yes MK-677 is cheaper and I agree that seems to be only benefit of using it instead of HGH instead. The only reason I am planning to use it which would using it in low-doses for any possible Nootropic benefits which I don't expect much if any. I just suspect maybe a slight improvement in cognitive enhancement and or increase in appetite and better quality sleep I read people experiencing on this. 


  Thank you both for your replies and I wish I could Private Message with you both... I think I read a post where Vendors are allowed to PM and I don't know about somethings about this Website as it has been growing and things are changing a bit as it grows so I will just have to pay attention to posts like this as they come along. I will be following you from now on @Hammerblow


  If I was not poor as dirt... lol I would be Buying HGH over MK-677 in a heartbeat tbh but than again for my required needs of using it about specifically when it comes to bodybuilding. I exercise strictly to maintain good body health so a small increased speed in recovery between work out sessions is all the results I really expect from MK-677 since your body is only going to be capable of producing the your IGF-1 Levels etc. only high as your body will be able to produce a maximum increased amount of them. It makes it impossible to get it t up to being able to increase the levels of HGH and IGF-1 anywhere as close to the amount of levels as high as using HGH Injections can increase it by which can be a lot more than what MK-677 could ever have your body produce. 


  I am interested in it's possibility of giving Me some kind of beneficial results mainly through Bone Density and Strength as I am on a bunch of Drugs that specifically increase my risk of Osteopenia and Osteoporosis and exercising with heavy body weight exercises like specifically doing squats on the internet is the best exercise to do for bone strength/health from what I read on the internet. I wish I could PM with you @Hammerblow since it would be nice to know about a good regimen for maintaining and re-building bone strength health would be in your personal and humble opinion that is of course lol. 

I think you can pm if you have over 20 posts. Don’t quote me on that though. The price you would pay for MK you could spend the same amount if not less on a aas cycle that will give you the all benefits you want. Increase recovery, strength, appetite, bone density. You’ll get that drive from ‘being on’ that you’ll work so hard in the gym you’ll sleep like a baby.  There’s a fantastic amount of info on first time cycles in the steroid section and with @trinity you have a vendor who’ll guide you and sells top labs. If your looking for a vendor closer to home just do a bit of research and if you are ever unsure run it by us. I’m always here to help mate. 

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I never had any type of messaging I thought only the Members who Donate can Private Message but I am really afraid to touch AAS as I have read of people that even after a truly proper PCT such as N0lva etc. which they they all are puzzled by why their Testosterone is extremely low. PCT does not a 100% chance you will get you back your full production of Testosterone Levels to what they were before you used AAS but I am sure your well aware of this and that everyone's body is different and there is no "one size fits all" especially using AAS.


  Correct Me if I am wrong as you clearly know more than Me but PCT only just increases your chances of a full recovery and of course and speeds up recovery in helping with your natural Testosterone Production returning to normal. Forget about all the possible Side-Effects which vary between each AAS you decide to use but I am specifically speaking of using exogenous Testosterone but from my limited knowledge most useful AAS will decrease your Testosterone production to some degree and not to mention the idea of poking myself with a huge needle is a little off putting.


  I don't know if this post is too off topic or not but I am not sure how else to get information and I don't know where you read about the 20 Posts and you get messaging abilities maybe you read it in a sub-forum topic. I just really hope this isn't to off topic again I apologize if it is and needs to be deleted. 

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Its definitely worth donating @porkandbeansboy

All AAS will cause a degree of shutdown. Nandrolone Decanoate is specifically used clinically for Osteoporosis treatment btw.

However if you figure in that there is an agenda for the last 60yrs to decrease the testosterone in men which has decreased hormones in men upto 40% through the use of environmental factors, foods and poisoning TRT doesn't seem such a bad idea. However that is another whole topic.
Granted, personally speaking the chances of myself ever making a full recovery are slim to zero but its a risk which I was well aware of years ago.

With correct use TRT and AAS can be a life changing asset in terms of well being not just cosmetic.

Just to add genuine HGH once used can be the elixir of life.

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3 hours ago, trinity said:

Its definitely worth donating @porkandbeansboy

All AAS will cause a degree of shutdown. Nandrolone Decanoate is specifically used clinically for Osteoporosis treatment btw.

However if you figure in that there is an agenda for the last 60yrs to decrease the testosterone in men which has decreased hormones in men upto 40% through the use of environmental factors, foods and poisoning TRT doesn't seem such a bad idea. However that is another whole topic.
Granted, personally speaking the chances of myself ever making a full recovery are slim to zero but its a risk which I was well aware of years ago.

With correct use TRT and AAS can be a life changing asset in terms of well being not just cosmetic.

Just to add genuine HGH once used can be the elixir of life.

There’s so many variables that we don’t know about you to give you the best advice. What’s your stats, age, your goals, do you have a family already or are you planning on ever having a family. Yes there is a risk your natural test might not return and I would and always advise people who want to run anabolics of this. But through good PTC it should. I was on for 4 straight years blasting and cruising and came off cold turkey (long story) after a nasty accident and within 6 months my levels were back. 

 

Theres so so many benefits from trt if I was supreme king ruler of planet every cunt. Every single guy would be on trt. 

 

And like trin said, you have steroids like deca that are used for osteoporosis. I’m currently running a lose dose of it right now. As part of my cycle I’m running 50mg of winny ED and if I don’t I feel like an over baked maringue. Deca is a wonderful lubricant amongst a whole host of other benefits.

 

HGH can and is a beautiful thing which in about 7-8 years will be a mainstay in my life. 

 

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I am pretty intrigued by the MK 677. With the half life (4.5hrs) and the amount required three times a day, it does actually work out expensive. 

There is a real lack of medical studies with this being IMO in the realms of an RC and there are a lot of snake oil sales tactics being employed.

We personally wouldn't use it when pharmacy HGH is there. The only thing which draws me too it is the appetite stimulation which at the moment is really down.

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I’ve always found running a high dose of eq (900mg) does wonders for my appetite especially when I’m running tren

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I meant to add lastnight thst I 100% agree with the lack of an real hard evidence, it needs to be properly medically researched. Where there’s doubt there’s always a sales pitch claiming it to be the ‘wonder drug’ I find it hard to believe it would be comparable to Pharma grade HGH. I come to the same conclusion regarding TB-500 too tbh. 

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