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I was wrong about homeland security notes


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@savingtessI have never heard of anyone being on any type of blacklist from receiving a LL or having a delivery confiscated. If you think about the various dark Web markets and the volume of these kinds of deliveries, I would think it would not be practical to do anything unless it's a really big amount of goods and obviously for resale. 

This is just my opinion based on experience - not meant to be taken as fact. Of all the members I have told "don't worry" none have come back to tell me I'm an idiot so far.

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PS I don't want to see people worry themselves to distraction for no good reason, but on the other hand we should not become too complacent. Never hurts to be cautious.

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1 hour ago, 2earls said:

@savingtessI have never heard of anyone being on any type of blacklist from receiving a LL or having a delivery confiscated. If you think about the various dark Web markets and the volume of these kinds of deliveries, I would think it would not be practical to do anything unless it's a really big amount of goods and obviously for resale. 

This is just my opinion based on experience - not meant to be taken as fact. Of all the members I have told "don't worry" none have come back to tell me I'm an idiot so far.

it wasn't 'a lot' four boxes of cods that someone ordered for me - I contacted vendor with this tiny cut out piece of paper that had homeland security 'seal' on top then telling me my products had been seized and I'd be hearing from them shortly. I did find something online on an old forum saying that if it wasn't a 'controlled delivery' then they wouldn't be coming to arrest you - but found another forum saying that sometimes they watch you for years.. WTAF? here is what what that steroid place said (this is from 2004 though so - don't know if it's still current?)  I just copy and pasted from the old OP question -which is the first you'll see below - then someone answered with the bold highlights. Doesn't help that my husband just mailed me some of his pain patches (not fent) but bupren for my RA/OA. They are due to arrive today and I don't even know if I should accept them. I'm freaking out. Too much is happening at once. The thing I don't get is when am I going to be 'hearing from them soon' (from that freaking 'note' that looked liked something from windows 95 and someone just printed it out) NOthing at all like the old LL I used to get all the time. My vendor in the UK said they had never seen it before either. They want to reship using some PO box in florida and then a bunch of instructions - I don't know wtf to do. 

 

I wouldn't worry about it. I have gotten like 4 of these letters in the last 5 years. nothing ever happens. Does the letter look official? some I have gotten were so low class looking I can't even believe they could be from a government agency.

Ignore it, they can't prove you ever got it....kind of like jury duty summons :)
Just google your law code. .. here's why they removed it i suppose. Looks like it says if they do not plan on going any farther with this investigate then they remove illegal items, then pkg with seizure letter is sent to the adressee. Not sure but yall can check it out for yourselves.
I copied and pasted this from the gvmt law site. ..


E. If no controlled delivery is arranged and correspondence is not to be otherwise seized pursuant to a search warrant (see “F” below), the item which constitutes the violation shall be removed and any correspondence shall be replaced in the wrapper, or in a new wrapper if the original wrapper has been seized pursuant to 19 U.S.C. 1595a. The wrapper shall then be resealed, marked to indicate it was opened by Customs, and returned to postal channels. Appropriate seizure notices shall be sent in accordance with 19 CFR 145.59(b).

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Your passport will be fine.  Its highly unlikely you will even get the usual notice from CBP, which is also nothing to worry about.  If they wanted to do something to you they would have shown up at your door.   Countless people on this forum have gotten LLs and are fine.  The only ones who werent fine were ordering large quantities they intended to resell, and they got controlled deliveries, not LLs.  If you dont have someone else to reship them and they wont reship to you or you are too nervous about it then i would just count it as a loss.  Moving forward, if you are still nervous about customs you could try getting what you need domestically.   But again, I don't think there's anything for you to worry about.  If they were going to do something to you they would have done a controlled delivery, and i doubt you were ordering even remotely the quantity they bother with.  Unless you are a dealer, they dont have the time or resources to put you on a "blacklist" or "watchlist". 

The "remailer" is typically a facility in another country that they send it to who then resends it to you.  Sometimes, the remailer actually gets it all the way to your country and then sends it to you so you dont have to wrory about customs.   For a lot of sending countries mail is more heavily screened, so remailing from a different place provides more likelihood (theoretically) of shipping success.  Generally its heaps more costly, especially for services that get it all the way through your customs prior to sending to you. 

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1 hour ago, DoomKitty said:

Your passport will be fine.  Its highly unlikely you will even get the usual notice from CBP, which is also nothing to worry about.  If they wanted to do something to you they would have shown up at your door.   Countless people on this forum have gotten LLs and are fine.  The only ones who werent fine were ordering large quantities they intended to resell, and they got controlled deliveries, not LLs.  If you dont have someone else to reship them and they wont reship to you or you are too nervous about it then i would just count it as a loss.  Moving forward, if you are still nervous about customs you could try getting what you need domestically.   But again, I don't think there's anything for you to worry about.  If they were going to do something to you they would have done a controlled delivery, and i doubt you were ordering even remotely the quantity they bother with.  Unless you are a dealer, they dont have the time or resources to put you on a "blacklist" or "watchlist". 

The "remailer" is typically a facility in another country that they send it to who then resends it to you.  Sometimes, the remailer actually gets it all the way to your country and then sends it to you so you dont have to wrory about customs.   For a lot of sending countries mail is more heavily screened, so remailing from a different place provides more likelihood (theoretically) of shipping success.  Generally its heaps more costly, especially for services that get it all the way through your customs prior to sending to you. 

Thank you for all your support. I am unwell and have been since I was a teen. Since the new war on drugs I couldn't even get my tramadol anymore after taking it for over 20 years. I read something on reddit saying they will watch people for years building a case... but I order small amounts and this one was the largest one I had ordered b/c of covid and not wanting to do another one for a long time (four boxes of cods) UK  - I was worried maybe because I ordered four boxes that was some kind of thing that got them to get a court order to open them....and then  I got that weird cut out note that looked completely fake (saw things online about some of them actually being fake by crooked customs but.. who knows?) I had no controlled delivery - but about a year or two ago I had a package delivered (domestic) and just Stillnox and thought that was weird b/c where I live they just have people use their own cars and don't even wear the postal uniforms   - again thought - that's weird.. never even seen a postal worker where I live in BFE show up in one of the postal cars in full uniform but again this was a domestic from chicago and just stupid ambien. Vendor wants to reship as I stated - I don't know. I am very wary. Maybe have it mailed to my fiance in belfast and have him fwd to me? I get his care packages all the time in about 5 days. That - you will be hearing from us soon is what I am so worried/paranoid about. I can't remember if I attached this but will put it here again - when I found some roid forum from 2004 people were talking about that weird cut out note LL and someone replied with this : my items had been seized/forfeitured. It went on to say (and I just copied and pasted this - ) 

I wouldn't worry about it. I have gotten like 4 of these letters in the last 5 years. nothing ever happens. Does the letter look official? some I have gotten were so low class looking I can't even believe they could be from a government agency.

Ignore it, they can't prove you ever got it....kind of like jury duty summons :)
Just google your law code. .. here's why they removed it i suppose. Looks like it says if they do not plan on going any farther with this investigate then they remove illegal items, then pkg with seizure letter is sent to the adressee. Not sure but yall can check it out for yourselves.
I copied and pasted this from the gvmt law site. ..


E. If no controlled delivery is arranged and correspondence is not to be otherwise seized pursuant to a search warrant (see “F” below), the item which constitutes the violation shall be removed and any correspondence shall be replaced in the wrapper, or in a new wrapper if the original wrapper has been seized pursuant to 19 U.S.C. 1595a. The wrapper shall then be resealed, marked to indicate it was opened by Customs, and returned to postal channels. Appropriate seizure notices shall be sent in accordance with 19 CFR 145.59(b).

 

Thank you again. I am naturally paranoid by nature but when it comes to things like this my brain goes into over load I sincerely appreciate all your advice. I have known people that have been watched /arrested normally at PO boxes but were ordering from china and selling also. 

Danni

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On 11/24/2020 at 11:00 AM, Biskobro said:

I've never heard of it happening besides members with coolchems,so be weary of what is told to you . Does this vendor know a customs agent to support this ?

What kind of proof were you provided. I'd love to see one of these NEW L.L.

 

Regards

I recently uploaded one of these new 'LL notes' If it hadn't had that green customs sticker on one end I would have thought it was printed off by some kind on windows 95. You should be able to see the 'new note' on my thread. Let me know if you would prefer to send it in a PM. *cam from the UK with the script inside) it was a real script. I was still terrified. A bit calmed down now but FM... they just removed all contents except the boxes with that maybe 3x 5 cut out note and cited the seizure /forfeiture note inside. 

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someone I know closely may or may not have had this happen...

 

only about 3 months after receiving the letter, the very same package arrived. Fully cut through all the way to the order, but then taped back up. Bless whomever did that.

 

I think... just be honest, dont be an idiot, and remember you can always talk your way into a ticket!

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On 12/15/2020 at 3:50 PM, Tylenol said:

Has the pack come yet, and how many days has it been since you ordered?

I'm kind of waiting on your results to place another order.

They did however say if the same thing happened again on the second order they would reship a third one on their own.  I've yet to secure a second location for this package to arrive, but if they are willing to offer a free reshipe I may wave that option if they will send it to you the original location. I still have not received a letter from any government agency, or no of anybody who has, and my shipment was not listed on the manifest of seized items that is published by CBP.

If you look at that list it seems many things are either left out or something is up. I don’t believe they only snag muscle relaxers, tra### ms and roidz. I saw very few others yet on the news they are popping all sorts of things. It’s all very cloudy and I overcast.

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@iversusvsversusi what do you mean by talk your way into a ticket? Lol respectfully 

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@DoomKitty im running out of trash cans lol jk

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@2earls you are correct .. ive been getting them for years 

 

step 1.) relax

step 2.) rip love letter 

 

step3.) shoot it in the trash and honor kobe byrant by sayin” kobeeeee “ but u better make it in son

 

All seriousness they are are after the big guy who gives to the big guy who gets from the head guy who gets it for pennies from the boss .. 

 

only thing that will get u in trouble is a leak or something not that i would know @2earls😂😂 

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