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@Adminthank you for this. Because of my health problems and because my husband is much older. Our attorney passed away from early onslaught Alzheimers at the age of 65. We discussed yesterday if anything happened to each other. Neither of us want to live in a vegetative state. I know everyone has different opinions but I believe everyone has a right to die with dignity. I wish there were more states this. Thanks very interesting.

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I see this hasn't been up for very long, but this stuff needs to be discussed.

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@iversusvsversusi ya it's a very important discussion to have. I am unsure, this subject always makes me feel uneasy. Imagine what would be going through your head shortly beforehand. I do think it is only humane in cases where the person is really suffering. I don't know it still puts shivers down my spine. I remember a scene in Nip/Tuck when a lady dies of Euthanasia and the song Rocket man was played. That scene was powerful 

 

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@Pushkii Oh, I know. I'm not there yet, but when you know you're becoming nothing but a burden after losing all your ability to have a life and do what you love...quality. Death is scary for some. An Afterlife is scary for others, we all have our things. But yeah, it's hard. Especially if having to go before my parents.

Its not a conversation which our culture has even equipped most to begin to have. And I dont mean come off as on a pedestal here, I'm not. It's something I was dedicating myself to understanding or preparing for or coming to grips with until my practice went to ruins. Its all good, listen to Leonard Cohen. <3 

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One of the most lonliness of things about Euthanasia is that most often you have to travel abroad for it. And i guess not everybody is comfortable with telling family members what you wish for. Many do it alone in totally foreign surroundings not knowing any of the staff. 

 

 

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@LysergamideLandscapes1938 looking forward to your thoughts on this

@Tara it really frightened the life out of me to be honest. That song has a different meaning for me now for sure. I think it was the sequence of the events that were planned really struck a chord.

I dont believe in the afterlife and i am not afraid of dying myself. I also dont have any religious beliefs. I find my spirituality in nature, art and science.

What i am uncomfortable with is people that are in denial even ehen they are dying or people that are do scared to die. I have seen many deaths in my life and some can be beautiful when the person passing is at peace and accepting of their fate. 

Just like some births are beautiful, death can equally be a powerful experience. Especially if the person is pain free and relaxed.

Even still with my acceptance of death i am still undecided on Euthansia, i dont know why.

It could be because i have witnessed mostly peaceful natural deaths.

One thing for sure is i believe dying with dignity is the most important thing, be it with humans or animals.

 

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@LysergamideLandscapes1938 I’m sitting here trying to find something poignant and uplifting to say, but I don’t want  to choose words that appear as a cliche as that within itself is not always as comforting as intended. I know from personal experience. Yet I wonder what is left for me to offer?  But because I do have the personal experience, this may not sound as such, and it’s definitely not intended as such. So here it goes... I am so sorry that you’re having to deal with those hurts, and it certainly isn’t fair. I know it’s something tough to share. I commend you for either finding the strength to share or the realizing the strength that may come from sharing .
I know you and I didn’t start off on the right foot here, but nonetheless , I have found you to be a nice, intelligent and compassionate person. I also think we are similar. The more I live, I realize it doesn’t matter who you are or what background that you may spawn from, everybody hurts, everybody has someone that they love or care about and you never know what internal battle one is going through, so compassion goes a long way.  Those who are most compassionate are often the ones that need compassion the most. If I can offer anything, please don’t hesitate to ask or PM me.  Also, talking it out on the forum here, seems to help , at least it does for me. Best wishes

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Not entirely apropos, but this reminded me of one of the most profound lines I've ever heard:

"The people who don't deserve our compassion are the ones who need it most"

Please take a moment or two to mull that that over.  It changed my outlook on life and how I treat people.

 

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8 hours ago, Tara said:

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“Those who are most compassionate are often the ones that need compassion the most.”

I love this insight! ❤️❤️

Me too ❤

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I would hope this is completely legal when it is my time to go and I have my own choice when, how and under what circumstances.  I have been involved directly or indirectly in 5 individuals who, along with other family members, would have made humane and different decisions for them if we had been given the chance.  Hospice workers (bless their hearts) ort of leave the "pain" control up to the individuals of the family now and do not questions the decisions you have made afterward.  If you had family that perhaps had a different view, you might be left in a quandary.  Fortunately my family and I were okay with this approach for my father, but regretted later not having a more aggressive approach for my mother.  Her cancer had spread so quickly, you could see it every day in black clumps coming up under her skin, but yet, I had enough drugs to kill an elephant in my possession and control and gave them every 4 hours like a good little girl should.   Arghh!  One of my life's greatest regrets.  The first time i saw my son the next day after he was born, I prayed to the god I believed in then that my son's face would be the last face I saw on this earth and it's been my hope and dream ever after.  But I also told him that if there was a way i could be asleep or out of it during the process, please take advantage of all you have at your disposal and do not regret it.  I've seen enough people end in a horrible way that they did not deserve  and if there is a way we can be spared of that, it is the ultimate show of love to our dying to make every effort to see them on their way through the sacred door as easily as possible.   It is a  sacred moment to be there, just as it is when a child is born.  We show birthing mothers care of this kind and should see our exiting loved ones in the same way.  80% of us do not die in a peaceful way.  It is in great pain and misery.   If you end up being one of the 20% or know of such a person in that 20%, they are indeed very lucky to die very suddenly or of a fast heart attack. My husband went out of a heart attack in such a way.  He was a wonderful man and though I wanted to have him with us, I would not have wanted him to suffer one minute longer.    

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